pre tribulation mid trib or post trib answered… which is the right one?

question from reader: why is it that there are many biblical scholars with the same word of God that have different views of the timing of rapture.(pre, mid, post). remember, all love Jesus but have different views of rapture and have the same bible.

Answer from me:

I asked a famous prophecy expert at a prophecy conference (zola levitt)  if he could just give one reason why it was pre trib what would he say.

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He said “because his coming is a surprise”

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If its mid trib you can count to the exact day. (because in the middle comes the abomination of desolation which is 3.5 years to the day after they sign the peace treaty with the anti Christ) If its post trib you can count to the exact day. Because its seven years after the peace treaty and 3.5 years after the abomination of desolation) Pre trib is the only one you cant count to the exact day given all the signs. Its the only one that fits. 

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“unless you have faith as a little child you will never enter the kingdom of heaven”

“thank you father for revealing your kingdom to the simple ones and hiding it from the worldly wise”

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  1. [Howdy, Things….. Check this out – found it lately on the amazing net.]

    PRETRIB RAPTURE STEALTH !

    Many evangelicals believe that Christ will “rapture” them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his “tribulation.” But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father’s right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. (“The Rapture Question,” by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above verses! They were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters”!)
    Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel’s posttrib resurrection!) It’s amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the “great commission” for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
    Many don’t know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google “Walvoord Melts Ice” for more on this.
    Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture,” “The Real Manuel Lacunza,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” and “Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View” – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).

    1. okay, check this out, most people that do not believe in pre trib rapture say the second coming of christ is at the end of the tribulation. That there is only one coming referred to. Ok lets take that fro a fact just for argument. Lets look at when the last 7 years of Daniel’s prophecy starts. According to the book of Daniel it stopped when the messiah was cut off. (but not for his own sake). Then there is a pause. The last 7 years is still to come. Most people who believe in no rapture believe that the period of time for the tribulation is 7 years. How do you measure when that seven years starts? Well it starts when Israel signs the peace treaty with the anti-christ. I think most no rapture believers believe thats the start. Ok then most people that believe that there is no rapture believe Jesus comes at the end of the seven years. Ok then we can take seven years from the treaty signing, add the seven years and know to the exact day when Jesus comes again. Whoa there sparky? you mean that you can know the exact day? Wait a sec, Jesus said no one can know the day or the hour. That’s a problem. It gives us three choices. One is that the angel that spoke to Daniel wasn’t really speaking of an exact 7 year period. But then again he says blessed are they that wait the 1335 days. http://biblehub.com/daniel/12-12.htm Wow he even counts the days. So were looking at the next possibility. Jesus really wasn’t telling the truth about not knowing the day. I think that one is out. Ok whats the next one? This verse says ”
      Because you have kept My command to endure, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is going to come over the whole world to test those who live on the earth.” http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-10.htm and there is another one that says “we are not destined for wrath”
      So I can only logically believe that Jesus comes for us in the clouds, and takes us away just before the trial that comes to try the whole world and that at the end of the 7 years he comes back to rule. This perfectly matches up to jewish wedding tradition. The groom works on the house until the father says it’s ready. Then when they father says its good the groom goes to get his bride at night sometimes, like a thief in the night. He expects his bride to be packed up ready to go. She does not know when he will come but shows respect by watching for him every night and being ready. Then the bride and groom live in the house he and the father built without really working for a year. The rapture of the church is the only thing that fits. I asked Zola Levvit at a prophecy conference what was the one reason he believed in pretrib. He said because it has to be a surprise. He said you can calculate to the exact day the middle of the tribulation, and the end based on the treaty. The only one that can be a surprise is the one before the treaty is signed. Thats pre tribulation.

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